Anti Reservation

If you think your Caste should get you a seat, Ignore this. But if you think your Marks should get you a seat, then First take your seat here*.

DATE : 25th MAY 2006 Thursday
TIME : 4-6 PM
PLACE: Government Guest House, Wallajah Road.

Permission has been granted by the police. (Not sure who is organizing this. Let me know if you do !)

* Note : Its your own will and wish to participate.

35 Comments so far

  1. WA (unregistered) on May 23rd, 2006 @ 3:26 pm

    “If you think your Caste should get you a seat” – What if I don’t think that my caste should get me a seat, but still support Reservations to a certain extent? Oh well can’t go to the meeting on the 25th anyway


  2. Maruthiah (unregistered) on May 23rd, 2006 @ 5:55 pm

    //If you think your Caste should get you a seat, Ignore this. But if you think your Marks should get you a seat, then First take your seat here//

    You should have put this in another way as “If you do not support reservation then take your seat other wise ignore this.”

    I didn’t expect this type of wording in the common forum like chennai metblog. if you are putting in your blog i am fine. still who care whether i am fine or NOT.

    I am recular reader of the chennai metblog..

    Anyway keep up YOUR GOD WORK..

    Thanks
    Maruthiah


  3. FSN (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 5:21 am

    Maruthiah, I didn’t think there was anything wrong with the wordings at all. In fact it was pretty well worded :-). Just because you didn’t pick up on the word play doesn’t make it objectionable…

    Keerthivasan – do you know what exactly they are planning to do there?


  4. Keerthivasan (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 7:33 am

    Uma, Lets have a talk !
    Also, read this.

    Maruthaiah !!
    There was nothing offensive there, it was simple and straight forward.. BTW, did you know 27 % is set ?

    Free Sprit
    They are planning to have a silent protest with placards. !


  5. WA (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 11:40 am

    Keerthi, no offence meant but I am with Maruthiah on this to a certain extent. Its a public forum and spreading ones political views and bringing caste in to the conversation in the post to me doesn’t sound right. Then again maybe you are talking about it because the protest is taking place in Chennai, so people living in Chennai and the ones who are interested in Chennai have a right to know about it and you or someone else might have done the same if people with the opposite view were holding a rally too.

    And FSN before you tell me off for not understanding the wordplay, I think I did thank you.


  6. Chenthil (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 12:38 pm

    Hey Keerthi, don’t know what this would solve in TN. Already TN has 69% reservation, and I don’t think that has reduced the quality of skilled manpower. And for the record, I support reservation, with some reservations.


  7. Krithiga (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 12:56 pm

    I am against reservation policies. But that said, I guess it could have been phrased better, because while reading it a first time, sure, I raised my eyebrows. (You can expect some other people to do the same too)


  8. Krithiga (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 1:03 pm

    Er…if I wasn’t being clear this is what I wish to convey – sensationalizing a delicate issue like this doesn’t seem a good idea to me, more so in a group/community blog.


  9. Krithiga (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 1:06 pm

    @Maruthiah:

    We do care if you (and other readers) are fine with the content. 100% agree when you say, it’s a City-based blog fed by a group of people, so yes, we all have to be extra careful while wording.

    It’s not a personal blog, see?


  10. WA (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 1:23 pm

    Krithiga,
    I appreciate you are against the reservations policy, everyone of us is entitled to our views but my question still remains what does this have to do with Chennai met blog? Are you guys also gonna give links to pro reservation rallies if one might take place in the city? And why bring the awful word ‘caste’ into a metblog? I don’t think my ‘caste’ should get me or anyone else in my caste a seat, I feel competent enough to fight for my place in the society. But that doesn’t mean I am against reservations and I personally find this post offensive. I would be equally offended if I found a post supporting right winged nationalist parties in the London Metblog. Thinking about it I suppose I don’t get the word play here, would FSN care to explain please.


  11. Keerthivasan (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 1:41 pm

    First things first, It is completely my personal phrase, and doesnt reflect the Chennai Metroblog or Metroblogging team. I dont wish to delete the post, although the Admins may delete it, if it is to create emotional waves.

    I apologise for being offensive, if any taken.

    With a puzzle in mind, as to why not have such things on a common forum, I would like to explain further on my personal blog (may be tomorrow)..

    And Uma, Caste is not an awful word.


  12. WA (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 3:28 pm

    Keerthi, I would like to add that I knew very well that it is your view and never did I even dream that it reflected Chennai metblog or the metroblog team’s views. As to the emotional wave you think its creating, all I can say is that if you guys tell me that you will be reporting a pro reservation rally in the same manner I will shut up. Will come back to the caste part another day.


  13. Maruthiah (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 7:59 pm

    Thanks Krithiga. Atleast you understand what is the problem.

    Keerthivasan I know that you are not going to understand. Atleast understand why this blog is for. I appriciate that you have volunteered to write ABOUT CHENNAI.

    I fear that this blog will be labeled as something and will loose the charm. you know that how will it be labeled?.

    Its shame that we ppl are fighting something not related to CHENNAI.

    Be proud of Chennaiate. Not to Fight but to Unit.


  14. Nilu (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 8:46 pm

    WA,
    Granted, that wording sucks. But is there a standard to which you hold posts in this blog? If you did, where were you when all the other puke worthy posts happened?

    And may I ask Kirthiga what her exalted highness thinks is the standard and stuff?


  15. WA (unregistered) on May 24th, 2006 @ 9:57 pm

    Nilu – No sir, I don’t have any particular standards that I hold any blog to including my own. But the word caste and the racial & condescending undertones of the post and wound me up, hence the reaction.


  16. Nilu (unregistered) on May 25th, 2006 @ 11:13 am

    WA,
    You have started an argument that is recursive. If you start saying you don’t deny his right to stupidity but that you happens to be your right, I can go ahead and continue this game for a million years. Not that it should not be done – but this post simply does not deserve it.

    I suggest you stick to the layer in which this has been argued so far. The author is stupid. This blog doubly so. However, that does not matter.


  17. Nilu (unregistered) on May 25th, 2006 @ 12:16 pm

    and I have to change my keyboard….sorry for the typos.


  18. WA (unregistered) on May 25th, 2006 @ 1:45 pm

    Nilu – okay okay, agree that getting wound up over something when you don’t hold the blog to any standard as such is recursive. Will I be let off if I say that I got up on the wrong side of the bed yesterday and felt that talking about casteists issues is not the done thing in a met blog. Have started the day off with a much better ‘who cares’ attitude today.


  19. Krithiga (unregistered) on May 25th, 2006 @ 5:09 pm

    Nilu: What I think of standards and stuff? Nothing at all. It’s just that in a blog like this one, one might not get away with writing offensive content.

    Blogger.com throws several bytes for that kind of stuff, writing about personal views or any flatulence. And when someone doesn’t like what you write in your personal blog, you can show them the door.


  20. Nilu (unregistered) on May 25th, 2006 @ 8:54 pm

    WA,
    You agree with me and stuff. Interesting.

    Kirthiga,
    You still haven’t understood the problem and yet seem to suggest a solution. Please continue.

    And, am now on a better keyboard.


  21. vatsan (unregistered) on May 25th, 2006 @ 9:26 pm

    ROFTL


  22. WA (unregistered) on May 25th, 2006 @ 9:42 pm

    Note to self:- Got to improve my language skills to understand the wordplays in this blog. In the meantime I will be ever so grateful if someone can explain the joke on the above comment and also the wordplay that FSN mentioned, both of which seems to have gone over my head.


  23. devadeep (unregistered) on May 26th, 2006 @ 12:46 am

    same shit different assholes(arjun singh,manmohan,yechuri,lalu)fuck dem so tht they stop shitting wid us!jai hind


  24. Pulkit (unregistered) on May 26th, 2006 @ 10:31 am

    I am surprised to see how Chettiars and co in Tamilnadu fall in reserved category. I think tamil bramhins must be superhumans to oppress 95% of Tamil population. I think we need to go to supreme court to review whole tamilnadu episode.


  25. Chenthil (unregistered) on May 26th, 2006 @ 11:06 am

    Pulkit, a small correction. Chettiars in TN are in the Open Competition list, so are some sections of Mudhaliars. So it is not that the Brahmins alone who suffer the so called oppression of TN population.


  26. WA (unregistered) on May 26th, 2006 @ 12:23 pm

    If what Chenthil says is the case, how come you don’t hear other voices as much? I still thinks caste is not much different to racism. Unfortunately it influences a lot of personal lives but can we not atleast keep the caste stuff personal rather than writing about it in a provocative racist manner in a Metro blog.


  27. vatsan (unregistered) on May 26th, 2006 @ 7:58 pm

    @WA
    wat makes u say all anti reservation activists in TN are brahmins? its the upper castes in general, who protest because entry becomes harder.
    and wht keerthi said is brutally frank statement bout wht reservation does. its based on caste, entirely on caste, and caste takes importance over marks while admissions are decided.


  28. WA (unregistered) on May 26th, 2006 @ 8:39 pm

    I am bored of answering you pathetic questions Vatsan, as I’ve told Keerthi I will write about my views on caste when I get a moment. And I will certainly make sure that all the metro blogging team get to hear about it when I do so. In the meantime, do find something else to do will you?


  29. vatsan (unregistered) on May 26th, 2006 @ 9:00 pm

    well the latter part was a statement rather than a question. and the former u neednt answer in anycase, and largely due to problems of information asymmetry.


  30. rangarajan (unregistered) on May 27th, 2006 @ 12:24 am

    We all talk of reservations in education, govt. jobs and now in private sectors. Well why these politicians talking off their hat does not ask for reservations in Parliament and Assemblies with 69%. They will not ask because then they cannnot come to power.


  31. rangarajan (unregistered) on May 27th, 2006 @ 12:25 am

    We all talk of reservations in education, govt. jobs and now in private sectors. Well why these politicians talking off their hat does not ask for reservations in Parliament and Assemblies with 69%. They will not ask because then they cannnot come to power.


  32. Chenthil (unregistered) on May 27th, 2006 @ 11:52 am

    Rangarajan, please check your facts. There are reserved constituencies for SC/STs in Assembly and Parliament. And in most constituencies of India, the winner belongs to the majority community in that constituency. Hence representation in assemblies and parliament is proportional to the population of the communities.


  33. MUKESH (unregistered) on May 30th, 2006 @ 7:01 am

    Reservation in Tamil Nadu is one of the most attrocios and outrageous happening in the country,
    sicker than untouchability. On one hand they say 95% people of the state are back ward, does it mean 5% oppressed and ruled the state? On the other hand they say reservation has not spoiled merit citing the Tamilnadu growth as example. Then in that case atleast 50% of the population should be moved out of the filthy quoto system. Even in the north the first 3 castes of Varna like brahmins,vaishya,kshatriyas are kept out of the reservation saying they have never been oppressed. Applying the same logic most of the castes like Mudaliars, Thevars,Vanniyars, Gowndars, Naidus should be automatically out of the reservation since they have never been oppressed and they are the one who is keeping the untouchabiliyy alive in villages and are richer than any other communities. What else u will call other than votes bank? It’s shame on these communities itself to accepts the quoto. Don’t get carreid away by filthy policital dogs.


  34. senthilnayagam (unregistered) on May 30th, 2006 @ 10:42 am

    Chenthil said “Already TN has 69% reservation, and I don’t think that has reduced the quality of skilled manpower.”

    that is only in Engineering after private colleges were allowed, we have surplus seats now(few thousand vacant for past few years)

    thats not the case with Medicine, let the govt allow every 500 bed hospital to have its own medical/dental/pharmacy college. there would be surplus there too.

    it is not about motives of the people who implement it or support it, it is the consequences that will be faced by merituous students.

    earlier government was the largest employer, reservation has been made there, now it has fewer new vacancies.

    now government also wants reservation in private sectors also

    there is no time limit set for withdrawal of reservations, so there is no motive for people getting reservations to be merituous.

    I have heard proposals for promotions based on reservations, recruitment in defence forces based on reservations

    if government does not mend its ways, India is going to be another France where emloyers cant fire an employee easily, so they seldom hire, which has led to highest unemployment rates in europe.


  35. TAMIL ANTI-RESERVATION BLOG (unregistered) on May 30th, 2006 @ 7:00 pm

    தமிழ் சமத்துவம்

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    TAMIL ANTI-RESERVATION BLOG

    http://samathuvam.blogspot.com
    http://i.am/thamizhan

    EXPRESS YOUR PROTEST AGAINST THE INDIAN APARTHEID I.E. BACKWARD CASTE RESERVATION



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