Is chennai an unplanned City?

Believe me, it is true that chennai is expanding, but not well planned.
No tall buildings at all places (excellent) what about drainage, street lights, roads, bridges, subways for newly selected place of an expanding chennai city (pathetic).

If you don’t trust me, look at some of the well planned places in chennai which were built few decades ago

Subways at
Beach road
Mount road bata, and one near Hindu Office too
LIC
and much more.

The engineers who built these have actually thought that neigther the ongoing traffic nor the people who want to cross the road should suffer.

There are place which are actually more crowded than the Mount road, which are actually been left in the hands of people to take care of themselves when they have to cross the road.

I have been on these places which are actually more crowded, learn more from Radio Mirchi 98.3 FM “traffic watch sponsored by the Maruthi suzuki”
T- Nagar
Pusaiwalkam
1000 Lights (one section of Mount Road)
Greams Road
Nugambakkam
Perambur (Near railway station)

and there are more places which I have not been.

Chennai Mayor office promises to bring down unapproved hoardings, let the Business flourish, let them help the government

Why can’t roads get privately maintained
Why can’t subways, head over bridges be built and maintained by Private companies (excemption from tax for the private company)

My previous post talks about problems when there are no bridges and subways

15 Comments so far

  1. vatsan (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 10:32 am

    vinod ur making many highly stupid assumptions when you say

    “Why can’t roads get privately maintained
    Why can’t subways, head over bridges be built and maintained by Private companies (exemption from tax for the private company)”

    first your are assuming that the private sector will provide better service than the public sector.

    secondly your assuming that the private player wont abuse his monopoly power.

    both these assumptions are total bullshit. from the public-private partnerships ive seen, i know that they need not always work and it definitely isnt the magic bullet to solve all of the city’s problems.

    in support of ur argument dont cite cell phones in india, they worked because of competition, in this case ur creating a monopoly and there is no proof that monopolies either public or private always improve things.

    and underlying all this remember that india is a functioning anarchy. how many use the subway at the bata junction? i still see people using the roads most prefer that. we are a functioning anarchy, so i think you should stop cribbing about all this.


  2. vatsan (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 10:37 am

    actually at every single junction that you mention, beach road (nead senate house) or mount road, people still prefer using the road to cross and not the subways provided. so why should the govt provide them? and how many use the pedestrian over pass on uttamar gandhi road near hotel ganpat? i havent seen a single person use that, so far people still prefer crossing the road.

    we indians revel in chaos and anarchy and we are a functioning anarchy. therefore developing like singapore and the wonderful footpaths is no use, we wont use it. so i think you should stop cribbing about all this.


  3. vinodvv (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 11:02 am

    Vatsan:
    Simple, you have still have not identified the problem, it is with us (the people). It is attitude of the people that they will not follow the rules, even if the government will provide or facilitate a better and safer means of commuting.

    So if people don’t follow, who is to take the next step, the law enforcement group, which of course you see the changes very recently in chennai with Police Commissioner Ms.Letika Saran http://chennai.metblogs.com/archives/2007/01/focus_on_road_safety_at_last.phtml being distributing pamphlets on road safety etc.

    and for the private parties initiatives, I trying to bring stiff competition, how about Civic Exnora are they doing a better Job or atleast close

    If the rules become strict or when every one understand their own responsibility, then the rules need not be in place.

    You would have heard about fines if you cross the railway line tracks. They do collect fines on a periodic basis, If railways could do why not the roadways of chennai.


  4. vatsan (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 11:11 am

    the problem is with the general risk loving nature of the people. people would rather take the risk of crossing the rail-way track or in the middle of mount road rather than walking through a subway or climbing an over pass. it is with the people and it is unlikely to change.

    fines, brilliant idea, i totally support it, but before it is implemented let me become a Cop ;), i see tremendous potential for the exponential increase of a cops income when such fines are implemented.

    of course the problem is that corruption is rampant and it shud be wiped out.

    rather than dreaming, nadakkaratha parungo saar.

    and exnora is a bad example, exnora is not profit oriented but rather is a NGO, when u suggest private partnerships it implies profit oriented companies, and ur agrument doesnt hold.

    and i have a question, in a contract for a road maintenance, which you have suggested, how do u propose stiff competition? once the bidding is over, for the next 10-20 years it is a monopoly. im still clueless, can you enlighten me please?


  5. vatsan (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 11:22 am

    in risk analysis, we would say that the cost of removing the risk dying while crossing, is too high for people. the cost is ur solution. therefore for people to stop crossing roads and remove the risk of dying, the premium should be lower, the current premium to negate the risk which is the effort involved in using an overpass or subway is too high. some alternative which demands lower effort should be implemented.

    this is the way it would be looked at from the markets perspective, the market which u seem to think has all the answers.


  6. vatsan (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 12:13 pm

    ooh vinod, another question, can you name any city which is expanding in a planned fashion in a democratic political system?


  7. chennai vasi (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 1:38 pm

    Vatsan, you have a sick attitude. Assuming things won’t change reflects bad attitude. First, there has to be good infrastructure. Second, you must entice the people to use it. Third, you must enforce them to use it by appropriate fines. A successful example would be number of people who use their mobile phones while riding a bike. Few years back we had all sorts of circus on the road, now people are scared because of the heavy fines.
    You’re utterly wrong when you say people cross railway tracks because they love adventure. The fact is they are lazy to take the over bridge or underpass, to walk those few extra steps.
    Please cut the crap.


  8. dhanam (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 2:21 pm

    Simple … the law should be rigid and no loop holes to it…Things will fall in place naturally :)


  9. vatsan (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 4:07 pm

    chennai vasi, do u thnk people stopped using mobile phones while driving because of the fines? nope, they did so because the cops started catching them for it and accepted bribes. this permeates corruption if u wish to permeate corruption you will add more regulations.


  10. chennai vasi (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 6:57 pm

    Vatsan, You didn’t get my point. The primary objective is achieving immediate civic discipline so that our city looks clean, we follow basic rules, and we don’t break cues and things like dat. Actual compelling force for such self-control and discipline is out of place in this discussion. Corruption is a bigger issue and is not confined just to Chennai. if one is on a dissmisive mode he/she can never see the need for small changes.


  11. MARUTHU PANDIAN (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

    I agree with Vatsan about private sector “it definitely isnt the magic bullet to solve all of the city’s problems”

    Like corruption & pollution, the following kind of thoughts/attitude among people has to be addressed for a constructive path.

    “we indians revel in chaos and anarchy”

    “rather than dreaming, nadakkaratha parungo saar.”

    “can you name any city which is expanding in a planned fashion in a democratic political system?”

    “nope, they did so because the cops started catching them for it and accepted bribes.
    this permeates corruption if u wish to permeate corruption you will add more regulations.”

    Nothing against you Vatsan. It’s just a matter of perception, i am talking about.

    This guy Vinod VV stimulates passive reader like me.


  12. dhanam (unregistered) on January 4th, 2007 @ 10:06 pm

    We also have negative attitude if we initiate things and practice it as resolution, we can be like any other developed country. Say “NO” to deviating from rules naturally u don’t have to bribe the guy. If u deviate pay the fine,than bribing him.


  13. vinodvv (unregistered) on January 5th, 2007 @ 5:38 pm

    I often seen people (Villivakkam Railway Crossing, there are two of them) who died while crossing the track, believe me, do you know how much pain it takes for the family who lost them?

    Do you know how tough it is get the money from Insurance companies, hello you still need to bribe them at times

    A causal Jaywalking with the cell Phone on the other hand and crossing the track.

    Shouldn’t you be ashamed, that your Indian Brother/ Sister/Mother/ Father die infront of your eyes, rather than saying “nadakkaratha parungo saar” or “poga sir, unga valaye parungo”

    President Abdul kalam once said “Don’t ask the question what your country has done for you? Ask yourself, what you have done for the country?”
    That is why Japan has grown beyond India.


  14. JoeV (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 12:24 am

    Wherever there are Pedestrian tunnels (subways as we call it in India) the roads should have a median which would make it extremely difficult to cross.
    If isn’t, people are going to abuse the system.


  15. AB (unregistered) on January 6th, 2007 @ 5:35 am

    “President Abdul kalam once said “Don’t ask the question what your country has done for you? Ask yourself, what you have done for the country?”
    That is why Japan has grown beyond India.”

    Get your facts right and most importantly your logic. I hate to point out, your blogs suck for many reasons. One is your prose style (bolding is okay but text indentation is awful) and indifference to spellings and second is stating an argument as if your facts and reasoning is perfect.

    All other authors on Metblogs except David just describe experiences and do not judge. Of course everyone judges but this is not the forum for that!



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